Not everyone saw the idea's potential straight
away and you had trouble getting backing for Hotmail. Why was this?
There were a number of reasons. A lot
of the venture capital community really did not believe that the
internet would become a mainstream mechanism for doing business.
Many of them had questions about how we could make money if we gave
this away for free - they didn't think the advertising model would
work. Others said, "I don't need another e-mail account, I
have one with AOL." They didn't get the ubiquity of it. Luckily,
even big companies such as Microsoft and AOL didn't think e-mail
was a browser-based service. They didn't get the shared aspect of
it - that people didn't even have to have a computer to use it.
For a lot of people, their first
experience of the internet was setting up a Hotmail account. How
influential do you think Hotmail was in getting people online?
I think it was a big influence internationally.
My friends and family in Bangalore hadn't even heard of the internet
when I said they could communicate with me using it, so I took them
to the internet café and set up accounts for them and said,
"Why are you spending all this money calling me when you can
send e-mails for free?" In the US I'm not sure it had such an
effect because it was AOL that really got people online, but internationally,
wherever there was shared use of computers, I think Hotmail had a
big effect.
Why did you sell Hotmail when you
did?
The offer was too good to refuse. When
you're struggling to raise money for a company and someone comes
along and offers you all that money it's hard to refuse. It made
us fabulously wealthy and it was just too good to refuse.
The company you set up after selling
Hotmail was Arzoo, which was intended to provide corporate subscribers
with access to a network of IT experts. Why do you think this company
went bankrupt? Was it just that it coincided with the bursting of
the dot-com bubble?
That was just part of it. It was a
very difficult time to start a company, but I'll tell you what the
real truth was. If you want to have an A-class business you have
to hire A-class people. A lot of the people who joined didn't join
because they believed in the company - they did it because they
wanted to get rich quick. Literally thousands of people descended
on Silicon Valley from around the world. It was a gold rush, and
it was so difficult to hire people. There were people who were coming
out of school asking for Porsches as signing-on bonuses. We've lived
through that now, and had we weathered the market, it might have
survived. In any business, it takes a long time for a market to
develop. A case in point is Google. There were seven search engines
at that time and they were burning money, and Google was very frugal
and very quiet and five, six years later, all the other search engines
barring Microsoft and Yahoo are gone. First to market is the wrong
philosophy. It really is the last man standing.
A few search engines are attempting
to challenging Google. What do you make of their chances?
Google is not unassailable, nobody
is. That's the beauty of technology - it's constantly evolving.
It's a moving target and that's what I love about it. But Google
has such a position of advantage and strength that any rival would
have to be ten times better. If someone was 10 per cent, 20 per
cent better, with the programming resources that Google have, they
would catch up straight away, but if they were ten times better
and have a year's advantage they could do it.
Is there anyone on the horizon to
rival Google?
No, not on the horizon. I think it's
going to be a little unknown company that neither you nor I have
heard of it. I don't think it's going to be a Yahoo or a Microsoft
it'll be ten guys working in a garage
Do you have any new projects in the
pipeline?
I've got three companies. One of them
is a company called TeliXO, and what it does is it converts every
single cellular phone into a PDA. If you have a cell phone that
can send text messages you can access all your contacts, appointments
and data. Think of it as having all your personal information somewhere
in the clouds and you can access it just by sending a text message.
In the future, you will be able to store your music in the clouds
as well.
The second is InstaColl, which turns
every existing Office document you have into a live communication
document that two people in different places can work on at the
same time, over the internet, which is very good for people in the
media, business people. I think it's the next logical step for the
internet. We've stopped going to the store anymore I bought
a printer and I bought a laptop and I never set foot in the store.
What we get together for is collaboration, but going back and forward
you lose time. The internet is ideal for it but there is no mechanism
to do it. With InstaColl, all your meetings can be virtual. You
can have presentations where one person is presenting the document
and the others can all see it on their screens. Let's say that I
wanted to communicate to you an idea that needed more than words,
needed more than what I could put in an e-mail or phone call. With
this I wouldn't have to come to London, which means that I can be
so much more productive with my time.
Then there's a third called HotSeasons.
Say you want to travel to the US. You could go to Expedia but Expedia
just gives you the information that the hotels give them. You want
to know what other people have said about it. Let's say The Times
has done a review of a hotel. We have technology that scours the
entire web for articles and sources of information and places it
on a page for that city or state or hotel. Think of it as a vertical
search engine if you type 'New York hotels' into Google you
get 22 million responses, but if you type it into HotSeasons you
just get content-rich, published information, plus what other people
have said about the hotel.
The music industry is finally beginning
to embrace the internet after years of living in fear of it. Have
they left it too late?
The music industry can pull things
back and the fear they had is unjustified. It's in their interests
to come up with an interesting way of presenting music so that people
will pay for it. Apple is a great example of how this can be done
legally - one company has changed people's behaviour, but file sharing
and peer-to-peer sharing is inevitable. They also have to price
appropriately for different markets. One dollar per song is about
right for people in the US but too much for sub-Saharan Africa.
How much of an effect will the internet
have on the developing world?
Ten years from now, the largest number
of internet users will come from two countries: more than 50 per
cent will come from India and China. There is tremendous penetration
and in some cases they have leapfrogged straight to newer technologies.
Cellular technology is better in India than in the US. My cell phone
works everywhere there, in every nook and cranny of the country,
and the rates are lower. Broadband is $7 a month there, over here
people pay $30 a month. The advantage they have is that they are
late to the market so they are able to embrace these technologies
at really low prices. Over here we are saddled with the development
costs. We had earlier technologies and now we have to replace them,
which is expensive, but they can go straight to the newest technologies
at low prices.
What effect will the growth of the
internet have on these and other developing countries?
It's a means for them to plug into
the world economy. We're living in an information age and if you
look at Boeing 747s or drugs or ships or cars, they're all being
designed on computers. It's all information, and transforming it
into reality is the last step. It's an important one, but that's
moving to China anyway. But office workers can be in remote locations,
and there is less of a need for people to live in cities, so they
can live in smaller towns, with the people and places they're familiar
with. It will help to prevent more transmigration of people. The
internet has really enabled that: without the internet it wouldn't
have happened in nearly such a fluid way.
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